RM: On a recent plane back from Hawaii I was reading Alexis Madrigal’s book on Oakland, and he talks about the cargo industry polluting Oakland and poorly paying/treating its workers. And then the next night I had a dream that the Cargo Ships are like the Great Pyramids—examples of extraordinary vision, engineering and architecture…and yet built on the backs of the poor. The point is this work functions like a Rorschach test.  Folks bring to it their knowledge, their concerns, their bias. I like that ambiguity with this work.  The cargo ships represent the complexity of our world, of this historical moment.